Breaking Health Taboos: Redefining Menopause + Women's Health, with Femgevity CEO, Michele Wispelwey

Debra Coleman [00:00:12]:
Well, hello, you, and welcome back to another episode of Have A Seat, conversations with women in the workplace podcast. I am your host and cruise director for this this episode, Deb Coleman. Ladies, this episode is absolutely the subject matter is is one of the reasons why I started this podcast for women specifically. Today's episode is one I think many of us need to hear especially as we start navigating new chapters in our health journeys. I had the absolute pleasure of chatting with Michelle Whispele, CEO and cofounder of Femgevity, a women's health telemedicine platform. Yes. Built by women for women, a women's health telemedicine platform. I mean, praise Jesus.

Debra Coleman [00:01:03]:
Hallelujah. Right? Michelle has been making waves in the health care industry for over 18 years, friends. And let me tell you, she's truly passionate about helping women take control of their health and well-being, especially wait for it. When it comes to menopause. Yes. I, myself, I'm not ashamed or embarrassed by it. I am in menopause now in this in my health journey. And let me tell you, my health journey.

Debra Coleman [00:01:28]:
And let me tell you, the answers are just not out there. I have to, like, hunt and peck and do a deep dive, like, rabbit hole Google search for anything that's going on with me right now. But there are platforms like Femgevity built by women for women that helps provide the support and guidance and information that we are longing for as we enter into this phase. Michelle and I get into some real talk about the importance of understanding menopause health care, why it's so crucial to speak openly with our doctors about what's happening in our bodies, and how we can advocate for ourselves as we go through these changes. Michelle shared insights on how women's health care is evolving, yay, and why it's more important than ever to stay informed and proactive. Proactive in all caps. And you can be proactive by visiting the FEMGEVITY platform, which you will find a link to in the show notes. I highly encourage you to do it.

Debra Coleman [00:02:31]:
Friends, there is a blog on FEMGEVITY's website that a lot that, like, by itself is amazing. But there are so many incredible resources on there. Please check them out. So if you've ever had questions about menopause, your overall wellness, or just want to know, you know, how to better manage your health, my friend, this episode is for you. I promise. Alright. Well, enough for me. Let's dive in to my conversation with miss Michelle Whispelli, CEO and cofounder of Femgevity.

Debra Coleman [00:03:03]:
Alright. Well, welcome back. Here we go to another fantastic conversation on Have A Seat, conversations with women in the workplace podcast. I am your cruise director for this afternoon, Deborah Coleman, and joining me in the have a seat virtual living room is Michelle Whisperway. I should have clarified that. Is it Whisperway or Whisperway?

Michelle Wispelway [00:03:24]:
It's Whisperway. Whisperway.

Debra Coleman [00:03:26]:
Okay. Thank you. Well, I apologize. I should have clarified that.

Michelle Wispelway [00:03:29]:
No worries.

Debra Coleman [00:03:30]:
Well, welcome, Michelle, to have a seat. Thank you. You are welcome. And the CEO and cofounder of Femgevity Health. So excited to spill these few minutes with you and to talk just a few minutes about women's health, such an important topic these days. I think I think women's health I hate to say these days, but it just seems like it's just out there lately. I don't know. Since 2020 maybe, we've just felt a little freer in having some conversations about being our own advocates and paying attention to what our bodies are telling us and even more importantly, having conversations with our health care providers.

Debra Coleman [00:04:07]:
And I think this is where FEMGEVITY really helps bridge that gap between what we need and how we go about getting it. So I'm really excited, to talk with you about this. But so let's let's take it just a couple steps back really quickly. And with I mean, miss Michelle, my goodness, with over 18 years, if I'm if I'm correct in the health care industry. Wow. That's amazing. What motivated you to take the leap to begin and to create Femgenevity? Was there maybe a specific moment in your own life or experience that sparked your passion for for advancing women's health in this way?

Michelle Wispelway [00:04:42]:
Yeah. It's a great question. I actually love that question. I get asked that pretty often. And there's it's a twofold question. And my professional journey and it's a personal journey too. Professionally, I right out of college, I got into the diagnostic lab space. I worked, you know, at some of the, you know, the larger labs in Quest and LabCorp and went to smaller regional ones.

Michelle Wispelway [00:05:09]:
And I, I was always passionate about women's health, and I worked I really got dove deep into the meletics molecular Mhmm.

Debra Coleman [00:05:21]:
And

Michelle Wispelway [00:05:21]:
genetics and PCR DNA testing and cytology and microbiology. And I loved the innovative part of helping doctors find solutions for their patients to to live longer and different type of creative ways to to navigate sickness.

Debra Coleman [00:05:39]:
Mhmm.

Michelle Wispelway [00:05:40]:
And through that journey, I I quickly came to realize that has nothing to do really about what doctors choose for testing. It's about they're dictated by the payer system, which I think every American can say is that it's, you know, it it's broken, and it's about sick care, and it's not really about preventative care. And and it's it's hard to navigate, as a woman around certain solutions and opportunities to to to beat chronic disease if you can't pay out of pocket and you can't see a concierge doctor and things like that. Additionally, my mom, passed away from a women's health issue when I was 25. She was 51 at the time. You know, 51 seems so old, but me being 43 now, I'm like, oh my gosh. It's not at all. It's crazy.

Debra Coleman [00:06:37]:
Mhmm.

Michelle Wispelway [00:06:38]:
You know, and she actually had cervical cancer that metastasized to her liver, and she was gaslit for years by, like, her spotting and bleeding from her GYN telling her that she was going through her changes. So between the two of those, really tying them together and fast forward to my my career path. I had found my cofounder along the way. She was actually one of my clients where I helped her build out her women's health program at her integrative GYN practice or her OB GYN practice. And we had founded FOMGEVITY. She's a midwife. And with my clinical diagnostic background, we we figured there is this whole opportunity for women to experience their aging journey and that it's not, you know, this negative part of your life. It's actually an exciting and it's embracing and it's a way to actually feel better, not feel worse because as you're as you're as you're aging.

Michelle Wispelway [00:07:39]:
And it's actually such an important part of your life because menopause is really perimenopause menopause is just the catalyst to longevity, and you have to really start treating yourself there before you can get anywhere else ahead for for for health and wellness.

Debra Coleman [00:07:58]:
Mhmm. Oh, so well said, and I couldn't agree more. I am 53. So, first of all, I'm sorry for your mom's passing. I know that was some time ago, but still, still lands, still resonates. And 51 is too young. That's way too young. And so as being again, speaking as 53 year old woman in menopause currently, yeah, everything you're saying is landing.

Debra Coleman [00:08:22]:
Absolutely. So important. It it it it's not talked about enough. It still seems to me like it's a taboo subject out there. Does that feel like it to you? Maybe not because in the space you're in, but

Michelle Wispelway [00:08:33]:
No. It still is. Okay. It still very much is doctors don't get trained in medical school. You know? It's it's less than 20% of doctors that have any type of menopause or hormone training in medical school. So they come out not really knowing what to do and, you know, they only know what's out there based on, you know, pharmaceutical reps coming into the office and and telling, you know, what's out on the market. They're not given any type of, like, clinical training, and they are also trained still a lot of, like, the older doctors too, like those baby baby boomer doctors on, you know, what the WHI study was and that estrogen's bad and it causes cancer. And so I do think there is still a lot of taboo out there, and I think there's a lot of well, not I think.

Michelle Wispelway [00:09:25]:
I know. There's a lot of talk out there and empowerment and support, but there's still a lot of women navigating where to find help and solutions. You know, we have women coming to us that have had cardiac arrhythmias, that have debilitating anxiety and depression, and they're put on, like, SSRIs or beta blockers and other different types of medication that aren't correct for them because they're not properly diagnosed and treated, and there's just lack of resources out there. So in a way, yeah, it's it's still taboo. But is it it's spoken about, but there's really no execution for for women yet as much.

Debra Coleman [00:10:04]:
So that I totally agree. Absolutely. I find that myself. I and I think that also when I'm in an appointment, I have always had female doctors or nurse practitioners who are female. Just my comfort level is is that but even then, I still kind of like struggle with what I don't even know what to ask you. I can just kind of tell you what I'm experiencing, and, I don't really know I, I I don't know how to continue that like, how to carry that conversation forward. I feel like the burden is on me as a patient when maybe it should really be flipped. You know? Like, okay.

Debra Coleman [00:10:37]:
Right? Like, the doctor or nurse okay. Yeah. I see your age. Are you experiencing what are you doing? Yep. Like but I feel like I'm the one who has to bring it up. You know? Yeah. So

Michelle Wispelway [00:10:46]:
Exactly. You know, it's it's funny that you say that, because I was at a dinner last night with a OBGYN doctor. Mhmm. And he actually came to us, and he is like, I wanna work with you with longevity because I don't think I'm doing a really good job on treating my patients that are

Debra Coleman [00:11:00]:
perimenopause menopause. He was

Michelle Wispelway [00:11:01]:
a wonderful Manhattan, doctor, concierge doctor,

Debra Coleman [00:11:03]:
and he and he he's smart enough and

Michelle Wispelway [00:11:03]:
he's humble enough to know that he needs assistance in it and and a collaborative partner. And he actually he said that, you know, my patients come to me, but they don't know what they want because all they know is what they're feeling. And that's exactly what it is. You know that you feel off. You know you don't feel right. But if you're not googling or on social or following somebody, would you know what you're asking for and what's right for you? Because and that's what we do is everything we do is personalized and precision and uniquely tailored based on, like, your diagnostic lab data, and that's how we prescribe, like, which bioidentical and how much of that bioidentical should be prescribed to that patient, because it's not a one size fits all.

Debra Coleman [00:11:53]:
That's right. It really isn't. It really yeah. You can get maybe 5 of us around the table and talking about our maybe our post p our premenopausal and menopausal experiences, and I bet you'll get 5 different answers. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So how does longevity yeah.

Debra Coleman [00:12:09]:
I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Michelle Wispelway [00:12:11]:
No. No. No. You go ahead. Sorry.

Debra Coleman [00:12:12]:
Oh, no. No. It's I think you were gonna, like, beautifully segue right into it anyway. So how it sounds like then for those listening that FEMJevity is a is just a wonderful sort of bridge to everything that you and I are talking about, some of the frustrations and uncertainty into getting answers. So how does your platform help us bridge that gap?

Michelle Wispelway [00:12:34]:
So our platform is a fully integrated model that virtually that treats a woman directly from her home. And it's really great for women, especially that are traveling and, you know, everything is you want access to it. You don't wanna go get your groceries. You don't wanna get your, you know, you you you want I mean, like, I Uber everything. I Uber things to my kid's school. I Uber if I even pick up a, you know, a bottle of of wine I have delivered to me. And the last thing you wanna do is go to a doctor's office and sit there too. So not only that, it's we're scalable, we're efficient, and, right down to the first step is a woman has her blood drawn.

Michelle Wispelway [00:13:12]:
We send a mobile phlebotomist to their home.

Debra Coleman [00:13:15]:
Wow. They

Michelle Wispelway [00:13:16]:
have a comprehensive hormone panel. They come back to us in 2 weeks. They have a 50 minute in-depth consultation going over everyone and their symptoms, their family history, then we give them a very personalized treatment plan tailored to them, and usually with a combination of bioidenticals and supplements that get shipped directly to their home. They have their 30 minute check ins virtually every month, and it's an ongoing journey where you have complete access and relationship with your, your clinical provider, your nurse practitioner, and you're heard, and you felt you have someone's accountable for you. And then we also have diet and nutrition, staff on our team that also help with women that are interested in, you know, reevaluating how they're building muscle because we really advocate for that too because it's really important as, like, your body ages and your hormones deplete, you have to make sure you're keeping, your your your muscle strength too.

Debra Coleman [00:14:14]:
Mhmm.

Michelle Wispelway [00:14:14]:
And it's it's a process with us, and we stay with you along the way. And, you know, this is somewhere you go anywhere from 7 to 14 years and

Debra Coleman [00:14:24]:
Wow. You know,

Michelle Wispelway [00:14:25]:
for for that whole menopause journey. And then there's a life after that where we're still staying with you, where we're looking at your micronutrient levels, your genomic sequencing, understanding how your body works and why it works and what metabolizes certain disease structures the way it does, your body does. And, you know, we we dig right into, like, food allergies. So we're menopause and longevity, and that's what's really unique about us because you need longevity medicine to treat and care for menopause women.

Debra Coleman [00:14:57]:
Mhmm. Longevity. So good. Thank you for mentioning that. Exactly. And thank you for when mentioning the weight training because that is something that is so important. I I myself have started doing that myself. And oddly enough, it makes me feel better.

Debra Coleman [00:15:12]:
Like, I look forward to the days that I I do every other day. So every other day, I do weight training, and then other day, I do yoga. And I kinda look forward to the weight training days because I feel like my body needs it. I don't know if that makes any sense, but it just feels good to kinda lift something heavy.

Michelle Wispelway [00:15:27]:
1,000 yes. It I I understand exactly what you mean. Mhmm. Because as I've gotten, like, older, the weight training feels better for me than the cardiovascular did Right. That does. And it's just, like, it just feels good, and your body feels strong. And, it just yeah. It's it it just mind, body, soul.

Debra Coleman [00:15:49]:
It does. Yeah. I almost feel like I'm it's cyclical. Like, this is kind of the that same type of energy I had, like, in my twenties, maybe early thirties. And And then somewhere along the way, it just went, yeah, whatever. We just wanna sit on the couch and be a potato. And now it's kind of, like, resurfacing in different ways. Like, it's showing up differently, but it's showing up again.

Debra Coleman [00:16:06]:
And I'm kind of excited about it. I don't know. While I'm bottling heat flashes and mood swings. So, you know, it's all it's all packaged.

Michelle Wispelway [00:16:14]:
A little bit of everything.

Debra Coleman [00:16:15]:
A little bit of everything. Mortgage board. Yeah. I love it. But so you your, your platform, Femgevity, which I just love, it there are plans that one can take part in to get some of this special, special treatment and and guidance and medical care. Is that correct?

Michelle Wispelway [00:16:33]:
Yes. Yes. We have 3 plans available. We keep it very simple. Our main plan is our hormone balancing plan, which is our plus plan, and that is really just your menopause journey. Mhmm. And it's like resetting your hormones and 30 minutes monthly check ins and basically what I just described a look a few few moments ago. Mhmm.

Michelle Wispelway [00:16:58]:
And then, you know, we offer a lot of a la carte longevity testing, and what we do actually a lot with women is gut microbiome testing.

Debra Coleman [00:17:08]:
Wow.

Michele [00:17:08]:
Because a majority of the times, women are also experiencing a lot of gut dysbiosis and and inflammation, you because your gut actually changes and your estrogen levels changes certain things within your gut micro microbiome. So we do a lot of that in tandem, but in that plan, things like add on tests like micronutrients and food allergy and genomic sequencing are microbiome. But in that, you have, your, you know, your bioidenticals included, your 30 minute consultations, your 50 minute initial. And then we have our longevity plan, which is, like, our health executive plan, and that is a really cool 12 month journey. And we're doing 6 out of 8 longevity tests, and we're doing a complete body full reset. Every other month, we're doing a test, and we're focusing on one system at a time. And with there, we do a comprehensive hormone analysis. We do your gut microbiome, your food allergy, your micronutrient, your genomic sequencing, and your epigenetics and or cancer genomics depending what your family history is.

Michelle Wispelway [00:18:11]:
Mhmm. And we're with you very intimately through that entire time, looking at every single component and completely revamping your entire system. And then we have our gut microbiome plan, which is just a gut microbiome reset, exactly what it is, and that's actually a 3 month journey that we that we work on with you.

Debra Coleman [00:18:34]:
Amazing. It's it's it's it's almost like a a boutique doctor at your service, like a boutique medical yeah.

Michelle Wispelway [00:18:43]:
Exactly. We're concierge menopause and longevity care.

Debra Coleman [00:18:46]:
Thank

Michelle Wispelway [00:18:46]:
you. Exactly what we are. And concierge medicine has only been you know, like I said earlier, it's only been accessible to the creme de la creme, and it needs to be scalable and efficient and accessible to women. And it's really only been an area that's been so male dominated with, you know, ED and testosterone, and it's it needs to be brought down focused solely on women.

Debra Coleman [00:19:13]:
And I think that you do such a beautiful job with this. I mean, the website alone, your FAMEJEVITY website is, it's so robust in itself. I mean, it is amazing all that you do, and I really love that that it is customized like that. And you can start maybe with the with one plan and then go up if your needs change or circumstances change. I mean, there's so much there for you to choose from and to get the help and care and attention that you need. Exactly. Thank you. Yeah.

Debra Coleman [00:19:44]:
Beautiful. And in the privacy of your home and all of I just wow. I love this. So this is another reason why I wanted to have this conversation with you. I'm like, I have to help spread the words. It's crazy. I don't know. Maybe it's

Michelle Wispelway [00:19:56]:
personal because

Debra Coleman [00:19:57]:
Thank you. Oh, well, we have all been throughout this conversation, we've been kind of circling around, the word like, the the term femtech, I guess, is becoming more common, and that's kind of where this falls into that realm. I myself am kind of a newbie to that term myself on the interwebs. I see it out there, and I think I have an understanding. But would you mind just taking, like, a few seconds to explain to those of us that maybe want to learn more? Like, what does femtech mean exactly?

Michelle Wispelway [00:20:27]:
Yes. So it's feminine technology.

Debra Coleman [00:20:30]:
Okay.

Michelle Wispelway [00:20:31]:
It's a term that was actually coined in 2016. Mhmm. And it is you know, it it it's focuses on, you know, obstetrics, sexual health, women's mental health, menopause, longevity medicine. It focuses on, menstrual care. It focuses on obstetrics. It focuses on, you know, any advancement and innovation in women's health and based around technology aspects. You know? Just pushing forward with more funding and opportunities for paving the way forward, for women to have access to extend their lifespan.

Debra Coleman [00:21:19]:
Love that. And extend their lifespan. Exactly. And I love that the education that's also sort of, like, interwoven in all of this too. It's educating us about what we should be doing and learning about our bodies, especially as we get older. Right? Because like you said in the beginning, like, the you know, what? 30 is the new, you know, whatever, 50 is the new 40 or whatever, you know? So we just Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Debra Coleman [00:21:42]:
Wow. Amazing. Amazing work that you all are doing, I should say. The whole FEMGEvity team, just amazing work for bringing all of this to to us. So I I can't let you hop off without asking you as as a a woman business owner. Many of my listeners are, of course, either entrepreneurs themselves or wanting to pivot into that world. What how do you or how have you faced, like, the hurdles you you've you've experienced in building your business, and what keeps you motivated to push forward?

Michelle Wispelway [00:22:15]:
Yes. So that's that's I love that question. So, you know, business is really hard work, and you have to constantly show up and focus on meaning and understanding of the journey, your journey, specifically.

Debra Coleman [00:22:29]:
Mhmm.

Michelle Wispelway [00:22:30]:
And there's no shortcut. And it's about habits, and you have to do things that you don't wanna do. And there's no magic elixir. Right? And people who have no ex people who have try to think. People really who have no expectations are the ones that win, and doing it is what matters. Doing things you don't wanna do, and just understanding that life is really dynamic. It's not static, and you have to write you have to use your story, your personal story, whether no matter what type of story it is, you're embarrassed of it, you're proud of it, and that's how you write your narrative and always to be really renegotiating yourself. And, you know, you need to just tap into the deeper meaning and what really gets you excited.

Michelle Wispelway [00:23:20]:
And I continue I love to continually, like, reinvent myself and just focus on, like, internal validation and know that there's, like, no one way to do things. You you don't ever focus on the problem. You focus on the solution, and you have to be grateful for the problem because that opens up a whole new opportunity for creativity and a funnel of what's next. And pain and and discomfort is so important because there's no growth and there's no path forward without the discomfort and pain in life. And I completely tell I embed that in my kids, and I tell them that several times a week because, you know, they kids just cry over things that don't make sense, and you're like, no. You have to be grateful for that because you're gonna learn on that and embrace, like, curiosity and moments of massive challenge. So that's what I would say.

Debra Coleman [00:24:16]:
That is spot on, and I love that you combine curiosity with massive challenge. That that really they tend to go hand in hand. Maybe one comes before the other sometimes, but definitely yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need to move that needle, and and it may not be the most comfortable one way or feel the best, but you're moving it. Have faith in that. Yeah.

Debra Coleman [00:24:35]:
Absolutely. Wow. Goodness. Well, I am so thankful for you for taking a few minutes to talk to us about femgevity and just about the importance of taking care of ourselves, our bodies, especially as we get older. And for many of us, as we enter into the wonderful season of menopause, it's nice to know that it's not all doom and gloom. There is help out there and with platforms like yours with FEMJIVITY, it just helps empower us and educates us to tackle that crazy jungle, with some, with some power behind us. So Thank you. Absolutely.

Debra Coleman [00:25:09]:
Where can my listeners go to learn more about you and FEMJIVITY and all that you offer?

Michelle Wispelway [00:25:13]:
Yeah. They could find us on FEMJIVITY health dot com. Our social handle is at FEMJIVITY.

Debra Coleman [00:25:21]:
You could go we have

Michelle Wispelway [00:25:22]:
a LinkedIn page, FEMGEVITY Health. My LinkedIn page, Michelle Wispellet. We have, you know, YouTubes and blogs and things like that. So you could definitely find us anywhere on the web.

Debra Coleman [00:25:34]:
So much. Absolutely. You can absolutely find them. And once you do, there will be a bookmark. You will definitely, follow them. It is just a you. Absolutely. It is something that should be in every woman's toolkit quite frankly, and I'm happy to help spread that word.

Debra Coleman [00:25:49]:
Well, miss Michelle, before I let you hop off and get back to your evening, are you do you have time for one silly bonus question? Absolutely. Okay. Well, as demonstrated in this conversation, you are a busy lady with a lot going on, a lot of a lot of things going on in your life. When life does get crazy and you get pulled in many directions, what do you do to reset and rebalance?

Michelle Wispelway [00:26:13]:
I go into the infrared sauna

Debra Coleman [00:26:17]:
Oh. And I

Michelle Wispelway [00:26:17]:
sit in there for 45 minutes. It's I I read a book or I just sit there and meditate and just think, or I go for a really long run and just put my AirPods in, my AirPods AirPods, and I listen to a podcast or I just listen to some nineties hip hop.

Debra Coleman [00:26:40]:
A Woman After My Own Heart, nineties hip hop. Yes. Yes. I'm more of the r and b, but that's okay. That same world. Same thing.

Michelle Wispelway [00:26:48]:
It's the same world.

Debra Coleman [00:26:49]:
It is. It is. Oh, that is good. And now what is an infrared what is that? Infrared spot?

Michelle Wispelway [00:26:55]:
Infrared sauna. Oh, sauna. It's it's yeah. Yeah. An infrared sauna.

Debra Coleman [00:27:00]:
Is it literally what it sounds like? Like

Michelle Wispelway [00:27:02]:
Oh, yes. Yes. It's oh, I'm sorry. It's

Debra Coleman [00:27:04]:
Oh, no. You're fine.

Michelle Wispelway [00:27:05]:
Infrared heat. So the heat is really, like, very cellular and penetrates deep into your muscles. Uh-huh. And it is we recommend it if any of our patients have access to it. Would it actually helps your cortisol. It helps a lot of menopause symptoms, like fatigue, muscle pain, energy wise, like, a lot of, cognitive ability. It improves as well. It is just so it's the most wonderful thing I think, and and to have if you could have, you know, the red light therapy in it too.

Michelle Wispelway [00:27:41]:
Mhmm. And it just penetrates really deep into your muscle fibers, and it it it really I just have I I I have felt so much better since I started doing it several years ago, and I sleep better. I have more energy from it. It's detoxifying. It's highly recommended.

Debra Coleman [00:28:01]:
Wow. That sounds amazing. Just you describing it. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna have to Google that and see if there's one near me. Well, thank you, Michelle, for taking time, and I hope you do get to engage in more of those activities because selfishly, then we are the recipients of that, as you reset and rebalance of all the good that you're doing to help empower us along our health care journey.

Michelle Wispelway [00:28:21]:
Thank you. It's been an honor to, be here with you.

Debra Coleman [00:28:25]:
And that wraps up my incredible conversation with Michelle Wispelway. I hope you found this conversation as empowering and eye opening as I did. Michelle and I really broke down some important topics around women's health, especially as we enter menopause and reminded us why it's so crucial to be our own health advocates. If you want to learn more about Michelle and the incredible work she's doing at Femgevity, be sure to check out the show notes. I've got all the links there for you to connect with her and dive deeper into the resources they offer. Trust me. This is going to be a website that you will have bookmarked. Trust me.

Debra Coleman [00:29:04]:
And their packages are incredibly reasonable for that extra health care nudge and support. Friends, it just it it's a it's a must. It's a must. So as always, check out the show notes and, please check out FEMGEVITY and see what they are all about and the ways that they can maybe help you along your health care health care journey as well. As always, thank you for listening in this week. Thank you so much. You know, I really appreciate you subscribing to my newsletters and hitting play every week. I appreciate you tuning into these conversations and my every so often solo episodes.

Debra Coleman [00:29:43]:
Don't forget to subscribe and maybe share this episode with another woman in your inner circle or in your orbit who you think might need a little nudge to take charge of their health journey as well. So until next time, my friend, you know, the homework. Assignment, stay safe, be well, and remember, keep having those conversations.