What We Can Learn From Each Other: Mentoring Across Generations with Julie Noonan

00:00.01

Debra Coleman

Well, here we go back with another amazing episode on Have a Seat, conversations with women in the workplace podcast and joining me this week, I have the absolute pleasure of sitting down with Ms. Julie Noonan CEO of Julie Noonan Consulting. Julie is an executive coach and change strategist for, which I love, women leaders who believe in living lives of unapologetic authenticity. And I am so excited to have Julie here with us today. Thank you, Julie, for taking the time.

00:36.17

Julie

Thank you, Deborah. I'm so excited to be here.

00:39.27

Debra Coleman

Absolutely. Me too. and And while I was looking, doing my research and we were communicating back and forth and there are just so many things I told Julie, oh my goodness, I could have her on for like two hour show. I mean, there's so much that I would love to dive into her expertise and thoughts on um because ah of ah more than 30 years of of of executive level experience in coaching and consulting. You have, I'm sure been around the block and bought the t-shirt. So I would love to I'm really honored actually to kind of dive a little bit into um a topic that Julie does specialize in that I thought didn't get doesn't get talked enough about um out there in the workplace is reverse mentoring, um which is like intergenerational from my understanding, mentoring and learning from each other, especially for women and women leaders and maybe women you know professionals on the come up. So um i I asked Julie, would it be okay to just steal a few minutes um to get her expertise on this? so

01:35.31

Debra Coleman

That's the conversation we'll be diving in today. um But Julie, if I could just take us back two steps for a second. Why the direction of executive coaching in this specific area assisting women leaders? Did you feel as a woman leader yourself that maybe there was something missing in the coaching space or did you just sort of organically come into this ah coaching turn ah because people just naturally came to you for guidance and support?

02:04.20

Julie

I think a little bit of both. One of the things that I've always been concerned about is obviously the women in the workplace and having, quote unquote, grown up.

02:17.12

Julie

uh through my corporate career in the 90s and then all the way until now. One of the things that I have experienced is actually um the the tried and true oh you know she's a woman she's being hysterical she's being emotional or you know um she takes things too seriously et cetera, et cetera.

02:41.91

Julie

Even one time um went out with my company. We had a golf outing for my company and some clients. And I was told, oh, you don't need to, we don't need to put you on it for some because i you and our administrative assistant are going to just drive the golf cart and take the drinks around.

03:00.07

Debra Coleman

me oh Oh no!

03:02.86

Julie

So yes, those things actually did happen. And in some organizations, they're still happening. And so when I thought back about the journey of women in the workplace, as far back as probably I could remember in the, you know, in the early eighties in particular, watching shows like Murphy Brown,

03:27.24

Julie

you know hearing about the the women who were demanding equality in the workplace and in the 60s and 70s and early 80s, I think we didn't do ourselves any great justice in how we actually came into the workplace and how we reacted immediately. And by that, I mean, not that it not there's anything wrong with how it was done, but when we came into the workforce,

03:55.09

Julie

um and really kind of barged in, we learned we had to compete like men because that was the way things were done.

04:06.52

Julie

That was how promotions got to happen. That was how sales happened, et cetera, et cetera.

04:11.24

Debra Coleman

Yeah.

04:11.68

Julie

And we learned you had to be really, really tough. You had to act like a guy. And what we did was we didn't just compete with the guys. We compete competed with each other.

04:23.91

Debra Coleman

here

04:24.99

Julie

So it felt like a game of survivor, you know, in the workforce.

04:29.59

Debra Coleman

Yeah, yeah.

04:31.53

Julie

And the sad thing, I think, for women is that we, uh-oh, shoot.

04:44.44

Julie

Deborah?

04:50.86

Debra Coleman

Oh, Julie, I think I lost you. Oh, can you still hear me? Oh, are you back?

05:11.90

Julie

Deborah?

05:12.69

Debra Coleman

Oh, there you are. You're back.

05:14.75

Julie

Yeah, I lost my connection. I think it's because of this rain that we're having. I apologize.

05:19.84

Debra Coleman

Oh, no worries. That's okay. No, that's why God made the edit button. Not a problem. Not a problem at all.

05:24.12

Julie

All right.

05:25.73

Debra Coleman

ah

05:26.01

Julie

yeah So just to finish that off, I think

05:27.22

Debra Coleman

ah Yeah.

05:30.02

Julie

We, us older in the generation, the Boomers in the early in the early extras at least, learned to compete with each other.

05:37.97

Debra Coleman

henry

05:37.98

Julie

And so it really messed up our ability to be collaborative, be supportive, and build each other up, which would have been our nurturing nature had we allowed it out at the time.

05:53.16

Debra Coleman

You know, so true, because as you were as you were telling that ah telling us about that, i my mind went to, of course, like you said, Murphy Brown and Designing Women and um that movie with Sigourney Weaver and Melanie Griffith, ah Baby, no, well, Baby Boom, but also, ah oh, the other one.

06:10.43

Debra Coleman

Anyway, how you say women in the you know had to compete with men, back then like we had to show up like them with our blazers and our shoulder plaids and just had to come up very strong and assertive you know to be heard and seen.

06:18.68

Julie

Yes.

06:24.90

Julie

Well, and the knives in her hands because you never knew where they were coming from.

06:27.36

Debra Coleman

Yeah. That's right. That's right. Exactly. and but which Which is a beautiful segue into why you know I kind of picked this topic with with with to discuss with you, because I think maybe we need to celebrate getting back into that mentoring mode. And a win for you is a win for me. And we together, collectively, you know we are women in the workplace together. And we should collaborate instead of come compete all the time. you know Maybe that's more the name of the game these days.

06:58.32

Debra Coleman

um But yeah.

06:59.54

Julie

Absolutely.

07:00.76

Debra Coleman

Wow. Well, okay. So speak, thank you for sharing that. And what a journey. And I guess, you know, we're really lucky that you decided to kind of take that direction because now selfishly we are the recipients of all of that wonderful knowledge and experience.

07:13.15

Julie

ah

07:14.43

Debra Coleman

So, uh, but okay. So to get into today's topic, which is reverse mentoring, can you maybe give us what you, what, what you feel that means in terms of the workplace and how generations that are active with each other?

07:29.94

Julie

Thank you, yes, the the whole concept came to me because when I was researching um my ideal client, when I was looking at executive coaching, one of the things that I heard from a lot of my boomer and exer friends, my generation, if you will, is they were afraid that they were gonna become obsolete, particularly from a technology um perspective.

07:58.57

Julie

They felt that they were not going to be able to contribute because they couldn't keep up. Things were moving way too fast. And so One of the things that I found when COVID hit, I got laid off at 57 years old. I experienced ageism as I was trying to apply to different positions. And so I decided to start my own company. And one of the things when I did that was I found that I was calling my nephew, my son-in-law, my daughter, anybody that could help me with my technology stack.

08:36.85

Julie

um Mainly because I had always had IT help, right?

08:40.77

Debra Coleman

ah Yeah. i

08:42.28

Julie

um And so what I found was that the interaction between me and then some of the subcontractors that I hired who were, you know, who grew up with a computer in their home or in their college dorm room. They were teaching me things as I was in return.

09:02.44

Julie

teaching them things, like a little bit about how to be politically savvy in the organization, how to read the culture, how to introduce yourself to an executive, how to stand out and get noticed without being, you know, a fan that you know what. So we were naturally just kind of going back and forth and sharing that knowledge and skill with each other.

09:26.59

Julie

So I started looking that up um to do just some research on that whole concept. And Jack Welsh, way back in GE e days, way back in the 80s, actually coined the phrase and came up with the reverse mentoring model. I did not know about that until I started researching it. And then when I did start reach researching, what I found was what he was facing was a dearth in um in engineering ah

09:58.01

Julie

graduates and so what he did was he brought in brand new engineering graduates to teach his older engineers the newest technology and the newest theories and those things and research and then he would assign his older guys to in a traditional mentoring model You know, to help the younger guys get up to guys and gals get up to speed, um you know, get some experience underneath them, et cetera, et cetera. And he called the whole program reverse mentoring. Well, at that time it was more mentoring and

10:36.72

Julie

I guess, kind of mentoring. What I have found is that if you put two people together, multi intergenerational, you start with how do you build trust between them? Because there's so many labels, there's so many misconceptions about each of the generations. How do you first build trust between them? And then secondly, how do you allow their relationship to grow into whatever it needs to be. Well, that's kind of a start off formally and then taper off to the informal. And how do we implement that in organizations? um You can't mandate it or it's not trust really and truly. And so um when we were able to do that with some of our initial

11:25.53

Julie

coach clients at an organization I used to work with last year, of contract perspective, it wound up that they actually built relationships that were much more deep. the people who The older people who were receiving this quote unquote reverse mentoring, they were much more comfortable and much less embarrassed to ask for technology help or to ask for ideas about social media or to say, hey, um who else should we collaborate with on this?

11:58.37

Debra Coleman

Hmm.

11:58.59

Julie

Those were some of the things that the younger generation were bringing into the workforce right after COVID that I think got sped up because of COVID.

12:02.85

Debra Coleman

Yeah.

12:08.06

Julie

So that's how it started for me.

12:11.61

Debra Coleman

Wow, that it it's so true. it it It really is. And you hear talk about this maybe, you know, around May or June when grads are starting to, you know, leave the nest, so to speak, college grads, excuse me, and entering the workforce and how tough it can be. um But that's really important to that your story about, you know, how he was brave enough to see that, hey, why don't we see if we can work together, get these two generations to work together and try to work off each other's strengths and weaknesses and come together to create, to move the needle, so to speak.

12:44.98

Debra Coleman

so that is I love that.

12:45.93

Julie

her

12:47.49

Debra Coleman

i love that i I absolutely believe in that. I am an executive assistant myself and I love talking to new administrative professionals ministrative support professionals who either are new to the company or just maybe new along their career journey because it You know, I learn a lot. I really just kind of keep my mind open to hearing their journey, hearing their story, hearing their thoughts on the role, because it's it's almost to the point where it's good if it doesn't 100% align with me, because I feel like we can learn and grow together.

13:16.80

Debra Coleman

um

13:17.04

Julie

I think you're exactly right. And they are going to if they've come from any other companies or any other industries, they're gonna have information and knowledge that you have you don't necessarily have.

13:18.58

Debra Coleman

Mm-hmm.

13:28.28

Debra Coleman

h

13:29.45

Julie

And one of the really cool things, there are there is so much information. No one can know everything.

13:36.87

Debra Coleman

Yeah, yeah.

13:37.87

Julie

no one can Almost no one can actually be an expert in anything.

13:40.81

Debra Coleman

Mhm. Right.

13:43.39

Julie

Only because there's too much There's too much on every single topic out there. And so collaboration really is the only way to get a full 360 impression of a problem or an experience or a new product you want to put out there or service you want to offer.

14:04.25

Julie

You have to have a group of people because it does take a village. It takes a village to come up with a new ah the new good idea.

14:08.28

Debra Coleman

Mm hmm.

14:12.61

Debra Coleman

Yeah, exactly.

14:12.91

Julie

Yeah. a

14:13.93

Debra Coleman

And as a leader, I think that's if you look at on your team and you see this happening, I think that would just warm the cockles of your heart, so to speak. And it's like, yes, this is what I want.

14:20.47

Julie

yeah

14:23.47

Julie

penny

14:23.80

Debra Coleman

So do and I'm kind of hearing too, and what you're telling us, is this also a way to help maybe um break down stereotypes like generational stereotypes in the workplace?

14:27.78

Julie

this

14:33.71

Julie

A hundred percent.

14:35.93

Debra Coleman

Okay.

14:36.88

Julie

um Part of those stereotypes, well, all of the, any stereotype comes from fear. um It's fear that if I'm an older person that I'm going to be ridiculed that I'm going to be found out You know that I don't know everything or that maybe I'm slowing down I'm not having as many ideas as I used to um And The the whole thought of I'm not valuable anymore or I'm not useful any anymore and I don't know about you but I've seen enough enough very wise very great performers be put out to pasture and

15:12.74

Debra Coleman

Mmhmm.

15:12.97

Julie

if you will, or put on special projects when they're not done.

15:14.62

Debra Coleman

Mmhmm. Yeah.

15:18.59

Julie

You know, it's convenient. Let's put them on special projects.

15:20.11

Debra Coleman

no

15:21.47

Julie

That means I'm taking away all their power. I'm taking away their prestige. I'm taking away their status and their ego. And everyone has one, regardless of how humble you think you are.

15:29.78

Debra Coleman

So true.

15:32.99

Julie

You know, it matters what people think about you. You want them to think well of you.

15:39.41

Debra Coleman

so true

15:39.78

Julie

And it's just, to me, putting the generations together, it becomes less about that person and their skillset. Because really what we're creating is something we all create together. So it becomes a team thing, not an individual thing. And then on the on the oxymoronic side, every single person on that team gets to do what they do best.

16:08.30

Debra Coleman

Mm.

16:08.85

Julie

because they're not having to um show off. They're not having to convince somebody else that they're credible, et cetera, et cetera. So it it really, it does take a village. It takes a whole village of skill and understanding. And I think ultimately that builds a culture where everyone feels value, where everyone can create value.

16:37.24

Julie

as opposed to tearing each other down to get ahead of the person in front of you.

16:41.51

Debra Coleman

Right. Right. I love that to create value that recognizing everyone is valuable. Everyone can bring a certain something to the table.

16:52.96

Julie

Exactly.

16:53.07

Debra Coleman

Um, yeah. Oh, so, so true.

16:55.52

Julie

Well, I think the purpose of our life, if anybody ever asked me, what's the purpose of your life? my My answer, and this has only been in the last couple of years of introspection and getting old, um ah is to create value.

17:08.97

Debra Coleman

Yeah.

17:09.39

Julie

And I'm not talking about add value. I'm talking about create value. Create something that will help another person or help a group of people and not destroy.

17:26.22

Debra Coleman

And when you, that's so deep. And when you think about it, that's actually takes work. Destroying is easy.

17:31.04

Julie

oh Yeah That is exactly true, yes

17:32.06

Debra Coleman

You can destroy people, you know, so easily, um, with just a click of the mouse or just a flippant comment, but to create something of value, to be proud and stand behind it as to quote you and to be authentic in that.

17:45.84

Debra Coleman

There it is. That's the, that's where the rubber meets the road. um That's the

17:52.64

Debra Coleman

Yeah. oh So what would you say then, Julie, to someone who's listening now? And maybe they are a seasoned leader or a seasoned staff and they're like, you know what, Julie, I hear you. i This all sounds good, but I don't know if I, I don't, I don't know. i'm i so I still feel threatened by my young staffers or by my young executives on the come up here.

18:15.33

Debra Coleman

how Talk to that person who's still hesitant, who has maybe just a little bit of an unwillingness to approach this with an open mind. what what are they but are they Are they in their own way here?

18:27.16

Julie

I think to some degree they are. as I think that it, regardless of your age or your or your seniority, the minute that you cut yourself off from possibility and from learning something new from anybody, ah regardless of their age or superiority or, you know, so if they even if there's subordinate of yours, as soon as you determine that you are the be all end all and know everything, ah you pretty much are dead.

18:56.24

Julie

Because the way that the way that people continue to grow and add value to the organization, to your life, to the world, is to continue to learn new things, try new things, and not be afraid to fail if you need to.

19:09.65

Debra Coleman

Yeah. Yeah.

19:14.07

Julie

that's you know that That would be what I would come back with, is say, hey, if you're not learning and growing, um then you're not showing the appropriate behaviors to the people behind you? How do you and expect them when you're giving them feedback that they need to learn something new or do something different when you're not doing it? How do you expect them to take it? Whereas when you admit your vulnerability, when you admit to ah you know a subordinate or someone else that you're working with, hey, I don't know the answer to that, but if you do, help me out here and

19:53.91

Julie

You know, if you ever have a question or need some help or a connection or a tip, pro tip, something to read, let me know.

20:02.22

Debra Coleman

here

20:02.83

Julie

There's plenty of knowledge and and wisdom to go around.

20:04.87

Debra Coleman

to go around.

20:06.83

Julie

who

20:07.43

Debra Coleman

Exactly. There really is. And it it both ways. There are things that we could turn around and and share with those coming up behind us as well as those coming up can share with us as you as you illustrated with your IT t example.

20:20.45

Debra Coleman

you know it's like Great. Show me what to do. I want to learn. I don't want to have to ping you every time I get stuck. You know, that whole teach a man to fish theory. Um, and okay. So let, to be fair, so let's flip it now a little bit. So what's something you think maybe younger professionals then can learn from more experienced staff or leaders like, or how can, and what advice did you give them on approaching this with their open mind?

20:47.02

Julie

Well, number one, I would reflect back to them that if they don't enjoy being labeled as whatever, you know, a not as lazy, not a good worker um entitled or whatever.

21:02.75

Julie

Turn that around and look at that mirror and don't label an older person and think that they can't be innovative and that they are stuck in their old ways or they say back in the day too many times.

21:18.76

Julie

um Look at them for what they've learned from their experiences because you haven't had them yet.

21:26.97

Debra Coleman

Mm hmm.

21:29.16

Julie

you're gonna learn your own unique wisdom and your own unique ways of dealing with something. Every time you come up ah against a challenge, we're not taking that away from you, but it could be less painful sometimes, or it could take less time, or you can avoid making a mistake if you actually take the time to listen to someone who's actually been there, done that before. And um there is no such thing as um he wouldn't he or she wouldn't know something.

22:01.05

Julie

ah For instance, um i was I was on a project not too recently where I had to actually help an organization create an AI, ML ah center of excellence.

22:18.80

Julie

Did I know anything about center of excellence or about AI or ML?

22:18.85

Debra Coleman

and No?

22:24.87

Julie

No. And I went in and I said, okay, what I do know how to do is build a center of excellence. What I don't know and communicate it, get it going, get it, you know, get the company employees engaged in it, et cetera, et cetera. What I don't know is the specific subject matter. So you guys help me out. I'm helping you out and I'll give you um some, you know, go-to strategies for avoiding a lot of that initial startup of a COE.

22:57.84

Julie

that It's easy peasy. We both have skills and we both have things to bring to the table. And i'm not the other thing that that um older so in older people shoot themselves in the foot with is saying, I've already done that in a kind of a ah nasty way.

23:17.68

Debra Coleman

Hmm.

23:19.49

Julie

eat Because the other thing you have to remember is

23:19.58

Debra Coleman

Hmm. Hmm.

23:23.64

Julie

These individuals who are going through this, maybe for the first time, they need to learn on their own as well. So your job isn't to help them not make mistakes. Your job is to help them make the mistakes that help them grow, not make crazy, stupid mistakes that you've seen coming and that you can help them see on their own.

23:50.68

Debra Coleman

Exactly. And your job is integrate just ah a copy cut a copy cut ah a cut a cut of you like a copy of you.

23:58.65

Julie

Oh heavens no.

23:59.83

Debra Coleman

Right.

24:01.17

Julie

No, my life experience is my own. Um, their life experience is going to be their own and they're going to be dealing with things that I can't even imagine.

24:11.34

Debra Coleman

Mhm. here

24:13.89

Julie

So I can't, you know, I can't lord it over them that I've lived my life. So everything that works for me works for you. That's not the case because the world has changed.

24:24.32

Debra Coleman

That's right. That's right. ah Exactly. ah Such good advice. Such good advice. it it because Yeah, and we all have our own lived experience that we're bringing into our our workplace. And I think it's just it's in our best interest to acknowledge that.

24:43.68

Debra Coleman

And even if you see that, like you said, it's already been done. i don't want to we've We've already tried that. Yes, but have you tried it through somebody else's eyes or have you let somebody else try it? Maybe they'll their the way they go about it or the technique might be different and might produce surprising results.

25:00.83

Julie

Right.

25:00.91

Debra Coleman

Yeah, I just...

25:01.82

Julie

Or they may have an app for that.

25:04.17

Debra Coleman

Right. And then it's a win-win. Now you have somebody who can do the thing that you that gives you frustration or whatever and ah they enjoy it.

25:11.55

Julie

And half the time, it wouldn't take that.

25:11.58

Debra Coleman

i Yeah, in half the time.

25:14.92

Julie

Really?

25:15.19

Debra Coleman

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. I'm also hearing, too, from you. It's just ah now to to always stay curious and to always be learning.

25:26.12

Debra Coleman

Is that also the message?

25:28.52

Julie

Absolutely. um One of the things that that I realized when I had ah a little bit of a low year at the end of last year as far as um income in my business, because I lost a contract cost of some reorganization.

25:29.56

Debra Coleman

OK.

25:44.07

Julie

Anyway, um One thing that I realized was, okay, I need to cut down on some of the expenses. So I brought back in-house a piece of the podcast production. And what that meant was I had to learn how to do it myself. So I thought, you know, well, maybe I'm not really all that curious about this. However, I can make it fun. And I taught myself pod squeeze and a couple of other

26:15.25

Julie

ah software applications instead of having to hire it out. That kept me from getting bored during when I was trying to do all my sales calls, et cetera. And it also rejuvenated my interest in video editing. And I never thought I would like that, but I found out that I really do. You know, it's one of those things that if you don't try it,

26:44.77

Julie

whether out of necessity, as in my case, or just because I'm curious, then you never know what you might actually really, really love to do.

26:55.48

Debra Coleman

I love that. and And then if you ever find yourself in a conversation talking about video editing or video podcasts, you will feel totally comfortable and and like you're holding your own because of what you just learned yourself or are doing.

27:08.68

Debra Coleman

you know

27:08.85

Julie

Right. I mean, there's and there's no learning that's worthless.

27:12.88

Debra Coleman

That's right.

27:12.95

Julie

I will say that.

27:14.16

Debra Coleman

That's right. that is right oh you gotta market that that's that swag material right there no yes you need to yeah for sure oh my gosh well i mean uh this has just been so enlightening i i honestly i could keep you on the mic forever but um i but this is just so important and i think also just personally i have had some wonderful mentor career mentors in my professional life and

27:19.97

Julie

No, okay, I'll write that down so I use it.

27:42.10

Debra Coleman

um I just really, I feel like this episode is just sort of an homage to all that they taught me. And if it wasn't for my willingness to be humble and um to be open to learning something new and to ask questions, but to also more importantly, young professionals out there, learn when to keep your mouth shut and your ears and eyes open, right? Sometimes it pays just to watch and learn. You don't have to comment all the time or try to one up somebody all the time for all those moments. And for all those people that had patience with me, this is just sort of my thank you.

28:10.63

Debra Coleman

um because it really can be such a rewarding relationship. There are lessons that I still refer to 20 plus years later. They still resonate in my mind when I'm about to do something. ah No, no, I learned long ago not to do it that way, you know, kind of thing.

28:22.66

Debra Coleman

So yeah, it's amazing.

28:22.68

Julie

Right. Well, one of the thing I want, one point that I will make is learning is not taking classes, reading books, et cetera, et cetera, solely learning is.

28:38.48

Julie

When you're in a situation you've never been in before, maybe you're in your first executive level meeting. Maybe you've been invited to you know attend a networking event with people that you very much admire and very important in your industry.

28:55.23

Julie

Learning also is watching and listening.

28:55.89

Debra Coleman

Mm hmm.

29:00.21

Julie

and absorbing.

29:00.43

Debra Coleman

and

29:01.58

Julie

So don't just, when you hear me say learning, it's not just the formal learning that I'm talking about. It literally is always paying attention, always thinking, okay, I thought that was stupid what they did.

29:16.27

Julie

Wonder why did I think that? How could I have done it better? And why am I judging this person? You know?

29:22.19

Debra Coleman

So true. Oh my gosh. That is so true. Absolutely. Oh my gosh.

29:30.03

Julie

Judgment is a career killer.

29:31.89

Debra Coleman

Mm. It's so is.

29:34.39

Julie

Yes.

29:34.58

Debra Coleman

Oh, I, I, thank you. Thank you. I love that you called that out because that, if we just take a beat and ask us that one question right there, that might make us stop for a second.

29:42.27

Julie

ah here Exactly.

29:43.59

Debra Coleman

Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You know, here's, we here's where empathy comes in. Here's where some of those soft skills should start to kick in.

29:51.55

Debra Coleman

Oh man. Wow.

29:53.03

Julie

And some of that is learned not until you're 60 years old. just he never qui You never quit learning those duh kind of realizations either.

30:01.39

Debra Coleman

That's right.

30:06.23

Julie

And that's the fun part about life.

30:08.57

Debra Coleman

Amen to that. Absolutely.

30:09.95

Julie

and

30:10.41

Debra Coleman

Yes. Please don't mistake Julia and I's conversation.

30:11.36

Julie

if

30:13.13

Debra Coleman

We're not wagging our fingers at just the cut the youngins in the group.

30:13.78

Julie

Oh, no.

30:15.93

Debra Coleman

We're talking to everybody. Yeah.

30:20.08

Julie

Definitely not. I love me some youngins.

30:22.24

Debra Coleman

Yeah.

30:22.74

Julie

I've got two of them in my own family.

30:24.51

Debra Coleman

Oh, see, there you go.

30:25.71

Julie

So there you go.

30:27.55

Debra Coleman

Exactly. Oh, I love it.

30:28.71

Julie

um

30:29.75

Debra Coleman

Well, Julie, this has just been, oh, so delightful. I really do appreciate you diving into this subject with me a little bit, and I look forward maybe to someday diving into a part two um to this. But um In the meantime, if if the listen if anyone listening is intrigued and wants to know more, please tell us where we can find you.

30:47.31

Debra Coleman

And I know you also are have your own podcast, as you talked about. So share a little bit about that too.

30:51.06

Julie

Yeah. Well, you can always look me up on LinkedIn, Julie Noonan, N-O-O-N-A-N. You can go to my website, JNoonanConsulting.com. If you're into learning more about my coaching business, it's IntuitiveWisdomCoach.com.

31:10.61

Julie

And I have a podcast roaming with restless women. It is available on YouTube as well as on the podcast channels.

31:18.35

Debra Coleman

I love it. Roaming with restless women and what what makes them restless?

31:23.81

Julie

Well, that's very interesting because I asked them, that's one of the questions I ask at the end of every episode. So you'll have to listen to hear some of those things.

31:33.79

Debra Coleman

Oh, I love it. What a hook. That was brilliant. That was not scripted, folks. That was just Julie and I off the cuff.

31:39.18

Julie

Not at all.

31:41.33

Debra Coleman

That couldn't have been more perfect. um Oh, brilliant.

31:44.83

Julie

on

31:45.88

Debra Coleman

Well, I will have links to all of those that Julie mentioned in the show notes. So I strongly encourage you to click and learn more about Julie and listen to her podcast. Listen and watch to her podcast. um And as we are, as you said, a question at the end of the episode, I have one final question for you that I like to ask my guests.

32:01.50

Julie

I'm

32:02.79

Debra Coleman

Are you ready for it?

32:05.33

Julie

ready.

32:06.19

Debra Coleman

Alrighty. Miss Julie, as you've demonstrated, you are a busy lady with a lot on your plate. When life gets a little crazy, how do you reset and rebalance?

32:18.62

Julie

i e

32:21.82

Julie

I'm going to change the answer that I usually would give because December the 6th, I had my first grandson.

32:28.69

Debra Coleman

Oh, yay. Congratulations. chins

32:31.31

Julie

So now when I need to reset and relax, I call they his mom and I say, I'm coming over and he dolled the baby.

32:42.81

Debra Coleman

oh ah Well, you know what?

32:42.94

Julie

That's my relaxation these days.

32:46.20

Debra Coleman

It doesn't get any better than that. I absolutely love that.

32:48.08

Julie

and and Yeah.

32:49.47

Debra Coleman

Yes. Oh, well, if and it's your first grand baby, you said. Oh, wow. If that isn't a reminder of what's important in life, I mean, my goodness.

32:58.36

Julie

100%.

32:59.41

Debra Coleman

Yeah. That is the ultimate. Oh, well, congratulations again to you and your family. What a blessing and perfect arrival right before the holidays.

33:04.50

Julie

Thank you.

33:07.67

Debra Coleman

Oh.

33:07.82

Julie

Oh, yeah.

33:10.10

Debra Coleman

Oh, what a fun Christmas in New Year's.

33:11.28

Julie

Mm hmm.

33:11.58

Debra Coleman

That must have been, you know. Oh, good for you. Well, that is wonderful. we We thank your grandson in advance for bringing Grandma full circle and bringing her back to us time and again um so we can take advantage of her wisdom and her experience.

33:25.35

Debra Coleman

And I truly appreciate this conversation with on reverse mentoring, Julie. Thank you so much.

33:31.01

Julie

Oh, thank you, Deborah. I'm so happy that you had me on. I appreciate it.