Unleash Your Inner Holiday Warrior: My Bold 2023 Holiday Survival Guide

Speaker 1 (00:00:06) - Hello you, and welcome back to another episode of Have a Seat Conversations with women in the workplace podcast. I am your host, Deborah Coleman. Well, welcome back to another fun week. I hope this week finds you starting off on the right foot. For those of you who are new to my show, welcome! So excited you found me and so excited you are joining me this week. And for those who are have been around for a while and know the deal. Yes, this is another mini cast episode of Have A Seat. While I am primarily an interview style show interviewing fabulous women who are rocking it out there in the workspace, every once in a while, I will steal the mic from them and do just this. Have a quick conversation, just you and me. And so this is one of those times. Welcome to my Holiday Survival Guide mini cast. Okay, as I've said before, I am not a professional in any way, shape or form. I do not have any initials after my last name, but I am.

Speaker 1 (00:01:13) - I do have a master class in life. I think we all do, probably at this point, and so I thought it would be fun. For many of us, at least in the northern hemisphere. We are entering into holiday season now. I don't know about you, but for me, holiday season technically starts the week of Halloween. For me, Halloween really kicks it off. I know for other just other people out there who I it's a complete head scratcher to me, but I know for others the holiday season starts in August because you walk around in these stores, Lord help me. But you hear holiday music intermingled in with the regular music. You see holiday decorations and all that fun stuff in August. It's crazy. I tend to just walk and cover my eyes like, no, not yet, not yet. I'm not giving you permission to stress me out yet. I'm still wearing flip flops and tank tops. No, no. So for me, the week of Halloween is what really kind of kicks it off.

Speaker 1 (00:02:08) - And so but I thought, you know, since we are entering into this whole new normal right here we are so many years past 2020 and Covid and the pandemic and all that stuff. And for many of us, not only professionally but also personally, our lives look different. We have entered into a new normal. Whatever is happening for you on the other side of work, you know your home life. As I say, real life happens between the the hours of 5 p.m. and 8 a.m., right? As soon as you clock out and you're heading home, whether you're a virtual or in person or hybrid, whatever time you clock out, that's when real life begins. And so for many of us, it does look a bit different. It does look a bit different. So pardon me my little fur babies next to me. So if you hear some weird noises, that's him just adding to the conversation. So anyway, I thought it would be fun to talk about in a lighthearted way, how to survive the upcoming holidays, especially if you are in the Northern hemisphere.

Speaker 1 (00:03:11) - For many of us, let's see October again. In the United States, we celebrate Halloween on the 31st, and then in November, many of us get together and gather on or around the fourth Thursday of November to celebrate with family or to engage in a meal, a hearty meal with family and friends otherwise known as either Thanksgiving or Friendsgiving, or however you choose to celebrate that time of year. And then also we roll right into December, where again, another month of celebrating in whatever you choose and whatever manner you choose to celebrate the holiday season in. And then that again rolls right into New Year's, which I think is very universally and globally celebrated. So I believe it's safe to address it that way. Celebrating New Year. So it's a large chunk of time, a large chunk of time with a lot of observations going on, a lot of celebrating, not a whole lot of room for boundary setting or for me, time. Especially if you have littles in the family or you have like an older generation living with you, or a combination of all of that.

Speaker 1 (00:04:20) - Maybe you have kiddos coming back from college. Maybe you you are in college yourself and you know this is the break time, the holiday break time. So you found yourself. Now you've got a lot of more extra time on your hands, but not in a good way. So this time period, pretty much late October to the 1st of January, can be a little on the cray cray side. So I thought it would be fun to hop on the mic and share some survival holiday survival tips. The way I see it, as you know, these mini casts can tend to get a little on the sassy side and I hashtag no apologies for that. That's just my style. And so I hope you do take this in the lighthearted way that it was meant to be taken. But remember though, my dear friend, I don't want to start this. This lighthearted episode without saying I want to be responsible, a responsible podcast host and say, um, you do deserve. I believe all the love and care you give to others during this holiday season.

Speaker 1 (00:05:20) - I believe you deserve to get it back in triple fold, right? I believe it's a two way street. Um. However, I do want to acknowledge that though for some of us this time of year, as I say, the end of the year, right? These next several months can be filled with moments of sadness or a sense of isolation. It's not all hallmark movies for everybody, right? So I want you to know that it's entirely okay to feel this way, and you are not alone in your emotions. Certainly not. Please remember that. And please know if you ever need someone to talk to during this time frame, whether it's a friend, a family member, or maybe you would like to engage more in a professional setting, there are people who care about your well-being and are truly ready to help and lend an ear. And sometimes, for sometimes, that's all you need is just someone to sit with you and help you process through the holiday season, or keep you distracted, or to take your mind off it, or to just listen.

Speaker 1 (00:06:32) - I just need you to listen. There are people I believe in your inner circle or in your expanded, supportive circle who would do just that and be that person for you. So please seek out that extra support if you do need it during these next couple months, because I understand they can be a heavy lift for some. Absolutely. With that being said, I and I think that is why I, I would like to go the exact opposite direction. I'm closing my door. Excuse the interruption. Close the door because a fur baby seems to have gotten it in that he wants to bark right now. So. So I thought I'd take as in another fun direction. As you know me, I love to be. I love self deprecating humor. Sarcasm is my second language. And so I thought, what better way to sort of put those on display than to talk about how to survive the holidays? So with that being said, let's dive into it. Right. Get your jingle bells ready. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (00:07:34) - All right, so my first bit of advice, I guess I'm going to take the standard advice and then give a Deborah spin. So the first standard advice we always hear to survive the holidays is set boundaries right. Set boundaries boundaries. Make sure which I totally agree with, I absolutely support or what I like to call I like to reframe that and say call this firm yeses and sassy no's. You know, I told Paul my husband this a couple of weeks, a couple of months ago actually, that no saying no is a complete sentence and oh, period done. Please don't feel like you always have to either make up something or provide this long, drawn out explanation as to why you may have to decline an invitation to join someone in some sort of holiday thing. I don't know if it's a dinner, a work thing, caroling, you know, attending a Christmas play, you know, whatever it is. I mean, my goodness, a cookie exchange party. You know, whatever it is, whatever it is for you, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (00:08:37) - I want to just remind you, you know, you probably do a wonderful job of saying it during the year. And then somehow, I know I fall into this, too. During the holidays, all that goes out the window and we're like, yes to all the things, because we either have really bad FOMO, fear of missing out, or we're just guilted into it, right? Like, oh, I got to go. It's my mother in law's cookie exchange party. I can't say no. Well guess what? Yeah, you can. It's perfectly fine. So I am here as your little friend here, coming through the podcast airwaves. It's okay to say no to things. It's okay to set boundaries. And now they're going to look different for everybody. You know, maybe you say yes to something so you can say no to something later, whatever that means for you, practice it. You've been doing really well throughout the year. Don't stop now. Look, think of it maybe like a like.

Speaker 1 (00:09:31) - Like you are a holiday bouncer at an exclusive party called Your Life and Your time. Right? So keep those velvet ropes up and make sure only the things that bring you joy get on the guest list. So don't let anything in that doesn't bring you joy. That's. Don't make room for unwanted stress at this particular shindig. Look, the holidays bring a small amount or a large amount of stress every year. It goes without saying I do not prescribe to the to the advice of no, have a stress free holiday. That is unrealistic. It happens, right? I mean, in some stress is good. You know, it's kind of fun to kind of like, you know, get caught up in the whole thing. But, you know, too much stress can be a bad thing. So. Think of this as we don't want unwanted stress. You some of the stress we want and we take on, but we don't want unwanted. So be your own bouncer and say no to certain to attending certain events or letting people in who don't bring you joy.

Speaker 1 (00:10:30) - I mean, I just I literally just said this again to Paul a couple of months ago as well. I think it was maybe in the same conversation we had about no is a complete sentence. I, I am just really done spending time with people who we don't find joy, joy being around. And what I mean by that is, I know that may sound a little harsh, but what I mean by that is how many times have you spent time with like a group of people? Or maybe just like a double date or whatever the situation is, and you walked away as you're walking back to your car or you're driving home or whatever it is, or they leave. Maybe they were in your house, right? And you turn to your partner and you say, how can we get the last two hours of our life back? That was a complete waste. I mean, I'm being real, you know? I mean, everything is not, you know, holding hands under the snow globe, right? There are moments and there are individuals that we just like, oh, the holidays are coming.

Speaker 1 (00:11:19) - We're going to have to spend time with them. Oh, no. You know, and I'm here to tell you it's okay to just say, no, not this year. Okay, maybe not those words. Exactly. Everybody has their own style and their own voice. Certainly you do. You. But I'm just here to tell you, if you were saying that in front of me and I was a witness to that conversation, I would probably be standing behind that other person's back and cheering silently like, yay! Go, you! Good for you for looking out for yourself. Good for you for setting those boundaries, saying no in your way to things that don't bring you joy this holiday season. It's okay, it's okay. The world will keep turning. It will be okay. And if you know, if it's for some reason it isn't okay. And whoever it is you're saying no to or you're presenting some, you know, some boundaries with, um, if they take an issue, if they have an issue with it, then how good of a friend were they anyway? Or if it's a family member, may they'll get over it.

Speaker 1 (00:12:18) - You know, that's what families do. They piss each other off. It comes with the territory. It's fine. The important thing is protecting yourself. Right? Put your put your put your airbag on first. Right. Is that what they say when the air and the air in the airplane, you know, put your put your air bag or whatever it is I was going to say gas mask, but that's not or maybe it is a gas mask. Do you right. Take care of you first and then the rest will follow suit. So set boundaries, firm yeses and sassy nose should be the rule, right? Just the rule. Okay, another thing we hear all about here all the time during the holiday season or as we enter in is plan me time. That is lovely. Again, a lovely sentiment and one I absolutely support, but it doesn't always look like a a hallmark, you know, holiday movie where you're snuggled with your favorite cashmere blanket with your hot cocoa and marshmallows and you're binging all your favorite shows, and you got your candles burning, and the kiddos are just playing quietly.

Speaker 1 (00:13:20) - And the you and the, you know, you and your partner up on the couch just snuggling. And the dog is quiet and the dog bed and the fire's roaring. Okay. That's lovely. And I know that's probably something on some level we all try to achieve. But the reality is, at least for me, that's not happening, right? The dog? Excuse me? I laughed myself into a cough. The dog is running around. Probably knocked over my my cup of cocoa because of his tail. Or I probably set that hot cocoa down because I was running around trying to get myself ready to binge, and I completely forgot about it. And now it's cold, sitting somewhere totally where it shouldn't be, right? It's in the bathroom or it's in the garage because I ran out there to grab the electric blanket and I set it down and yada yada, or it's on the porch because my neighbor came over or Amazon rang the doorbell and I completely lost it. Right. And so you finally sit down.

Speaker 1 (00:14:10) - You don't have your cup of cocoa, there are no clean blankets. And so you have to settle for a scratchy flannel blanket that doesn't cut the mustard. And then here comes, you know, your mom or your grandparent who's like, oh, I love to watch this movie, or I'd love to watch the Hallmark Channel. I'd love to. And so there goes your personal binging session, right? Or the phone rings or, you know, whatever it is, or the kiddos are like, running around. They're like hyped up on whatever, and they want you to go sledding or, you know, it just rarely looks like that. So we need to find our Me time in creative ways. So that's what I like to call sanity sanctuary, right? Find a little sanctuary that will give you some semblance of sanity. And it doesn't have to be that traditional on the couch zoning alone kind of thing. Maybe for some of you it does. And that is fantastic. Do you? That is great.

Speaker 1 (00:15:00) - Good for you. But for others, it may look like maybe finding time in the bathroom, you know, hopefully you can use the facilities by yourself. I understand that if some of you have really littles in the house, that might not be possible because leaving them alone, even for 30s is out the out out of the question. But for some of you, you may have other adults in the home or, you know, they may be they're taking a nap. And so you're just going to sneak and use the restroom really quickly. You know, using the restroom, generally speaking, affords us those few minutes of solitary confinement so we can regroup, gather our thoughts, and live to fight another day. Right. So maybe it's time in the restroom. Or maybe, again, keeping with the restroom theme, it's pronouncing everybody like I do in the house. I'm going to take a shower now. I'm going to be out of the pocket for about 15 minutes. So deuces, I'm out and I go into my husband always says, Paul always says, uh oh.

Speaker 1 (00:15:55) - You know when that happens, because he knows he's it's going to be silent. It's going to be a silence for at least 15 minutes while I'm in the, you know, in the bathroom, taking my shower, enjoying the steam and just taking my time. And, you know, so we need to find those moments. And sometimes those moments are like that. They're just like, I'm taking a restroom break, or it's while I'm showering or taking a bath. Maybe you do have time to take a bath. Well then indulge. Take that little extra time, you know, maybe turn on your cue up Spotify on your phone, or Pandora, or maybe your favorite podcast nudge nudge wink wink and just take that time and then just be transparent. Look, I'm out. I'm going to go take a bath for 20 minutes unless you're bleeding. Or have passed out or something. Do not bother me. I need this time, you know, especially during the holidays. That's what I'm saying. Find these little pockets of time where you can.

Speaker 1 (00:16:45) - Where you can get them, because they're not always going to present themselves and they're not always going to, you know, allow you to just sit quietly and zen out. Another one that I have done really quickly while we're on the subject is volunteer to be the airport taxi. Many of us during this holiday season, this time of year, have folks coming in or friends coming in or just people coming in, right? And yes, Uber and Lyft is an option. Absolutely. But we all have those friends and family who do expect the personal touch. You know, I'm not going to not pick up. I'm not going to have mom take a Lyft. I am going to go get her, you know, that kind of thing. So be the one to volunteer. Go get the cousins who came in from Missouri. You know, go pick them up. That's fine. Guess what? That's time alone in the car. Bonus if you're like an hour or more away from the airport, you know, it's like, that's okay, I'll take the minivan and I'll go get them.

Speaker 1 (00:17:34) - No worries. You know what I mean? Or I'll take the suburban. I'll go pick up everybody, because guess what? Yes, maybe on the return trip or maybe on the trip out of you. Volunteer to go take everybody back to the airport. You've got a car full of folks and everybody. Yes, but guess what? On the return trip or on the trip to the airport, you got yourself by yourself in the car. You just bought yourself naturally some time. And that's a win win because you look good. You volunteered to go do something that gave you time alone, and there's nothing wrong with that. Or maybe you live closer to the airport like I do. That's okay. You've got 15, maybe 20 minutes where you're in the car alone, and that's cool to again find those pockets when you can. And here's my last tip on this same subject. Volunteers. As we're talking about volunteering things, volunteer to go grocery shopping, I tend to. Times out of ten. There is always something somebody forgets we ran out or we forgot or we need and everybody's already arriving.

Speaker 1 (00:18:32) - It's people just can't scoot and leave be that one. You know what? I'll go get it. What do you need? I'll run to the store. We're out of alcohol. I'll go. We're out of forks, plates, dinner rolls, sparkling wine. Whatever it is, I'll go get it. You forgot the turkey. I'll go to the restaurant and grab whatever it is you be the one. Make that ride, you know, especially if it's a grocery store run. Because guess what? Chances are there's going to be a line. And that's more time alone. I know you're in a grocery store with other people, but you're by yourself essentially. Really. I mean, and chances are there probably will be a line because everybody knows there's last minute stuff that people forget. So again, find those little pockets, volunteered airport runs, volunteer grocery store runs, run to the restroom and say, do not follow me. I need I need a, you know, whatever it is, find those little pockets of time, those me times, right? The sanity sanctuaries, they're there.

Speaker 1 (00:19:23) - You may just have to get a little more creative with them. That's all I'm saying. All right, another one we hear a lot about. Maintain healthy habits. Right. Keep your healthy eating habits during the holidays. Don't succumb to bad eating habits during the holidays. Again, wonderful advice and definitely should be adhered to, especially if you are following like a doctor's like prescribed program or you're in like a weight loss program, or if you've had surgery or any sort of work done, and that you really also you really do need to be very mindful. It's a matter of keeping you healthy. And, you know, I totally support that. That goes without saying. But in the spirit of this kind of like sarcastic humor podcast, I am going to say this is otherwise known as the veggies versus the Cookie Battle royale. Right? I say if if it is okay to do so again, keeping in mind it's safe, you know, health wise for you to do this. Partake and indulge responsibly.

Speaker 1 (00:20:25) - You know, I indulge in moderation. That's how I look at it. I don't deny myself two cookies or that slice a hefty slice of apple pie a la mode, right? Or, you know, whatever it is. Yeah, I'll take that pumpkin spice cupcake or muffin and then I may or may not lowkey grab another one because they were that good. Or maybe they're kind of on the small side. So I figure well having two equates to one. You know it's fine. Or I will slap on some of those mashed potatoes with that yummy homemade gravy. Right. It's okay. It's okay to do that because again, in moderation, you know, again, you know your body, you know what you can handle. You know what's safe for you. But it's okay. Too often, especially women I hear say, you know, I see them basically salivating as they look at that yummy frosted cookie. And they're like, no, no, that's okay. You know? And it's like physically hurts them to say no.

Speaker 1 (00:21:22) - It's like, wait a minute. If it's not going to cause you, you know, physical harm, you know, to take that cookie and maybe indulge, that's okay. Or split it. I've done that thousands of times. I will see something like that. A piece of cake, a brownie, a cookie, a piece of pie. And I'll nudge my friend or or Paul or, you know, a family. Hey, I want that. You want that one to split it. That way we maybe go into this feeling a little bit better about ourselves. You know, I was like, yeah, yeah, that's great. Or maybe you're at a restaurant and you're like, I really want that special holiday themed dessert, but I really don't want the whole thing. Hey, who wants to split it with me? You know what I mean? Or split it yourself? Take it home, have it for another night. All I'm saying is, whatever that special indulgent is for you, feel free to partake.

Speaker 1 (00:22:07) - It's okay. You know what? It's okay as long as you do it in moderation and keep, you know, keep it to a minimum. Keep it to a dull roar as to what your body needs. But it's okay. It's totally fine. You know, another thing? I like to indulge in a lot of fast food restaurants during this time of year have like holiday special things like chick fil A has like a peppermint shake. I think, for example, we all know Starbucks has yummy holiday flavored drinks. Same with Dunkin, same with Dutch Brothers, right? A lot of these places have really fun, yummy holiday drinks or specials. And if you are so inclined, and again, and it's safe for you to do so, have 1 or 2, right? Or while you're on your way to that event that you really don't want to partake in or do. Treat yourself either before or after. Okay, well, if you go to this work holiday party on the way, stop off at Dutch Brothers and get that special peppermint mocha latte.

Speaker 1 (00:23:05) - Like, that'll be your reward for going to this thing. Or take it with you and sip it while you're at the thing. That way you're enjoying yourself. While you're at the thing you don't want to go to, right? So maintain healthy habits. Absolutely, per your own personal diet and personal dietary needs. But if you are so inclined, don't feel afraid to indulge a little bit. You know, with in moderation, controlled, of course, but indulge, indulge, have have, have that, have that treat that you that, you know, come around during the holidays. Look, we've all been really good over the summer, right? We were all really good. We had the salads, we had the fruit. We exercise, you know, we got out, we did all the things. We were very good. Now it's fall, the season of stretchy pants. So it was perfectly fine to indulge a little bit because the foods naturally get heavier this time of year as well.

Speaker 1 (00:23:57) - So even with the best of intentions, our best laid plans sometimes go to shit because we can't control sometimes what's on the menu or what's being offered to us. So it's okay to indulge a little bit, is what I'm saying. All right. So. Let's see, what's another one we hear a lot of, um. I guess when it comes to events. Let's touch on that really quickly before I wrap up. We all know there are events again that we have to go to or that we don't want to do, or that maybe we have to host. You know, our partner slipped up and said they volunteered us for that. I don't know what that kind of dinner is called where you, like, have dinner. You have appetizer at someone's house and then dinner at someone else's house and dessert. I think it's called a progressive dinner, maybe, or whatever. A traveling meal, I don't know. So in any case, whether you are the host who's gotten guilted into into hosting or you have to attend an event, the one thing that has saved, I know Paul and I practice is, is going into agreement with those you're attending with, but whether it be friends or family, a partner and say, okay, we're going to give it two hours at the end of two hours, let's check in.

Speaker 1 (00:25:13) - Do we want to stay? Do we want to go? What's going on here? You know. So if you go into something like that with sort of a set agreement or a set stop time agreed upon, stop time, it tends to help you get through it better. I know it does for Paul and I. And sometimes when you do that two hour check in, you know, after two hours, you check in. How are we feeling? You may be pleasantly surprised you're actually having a better time than you thought. And so the answer to that question is, you know what? I'm good. Let's stay another hour. Okay? Cool. You know what I mean? Like, that's fine. But knowing that there's maybe a hard stop time makes you maybe, maybe feel a little bit better about attending this thing that you really didn't want to attend in the first place. Or if you are the one, if you are the sucker who's having to host, right, maybe you can frame the invitation.

Speaker 1 (00:26:03) - Maybe if you were, if you are open to do this, or if the if the type of event allows for this, you can state a start and end time, you know, come join us for holiday cocktails between 6 and 8. You know, or between come join us for holiday dinner between 5 and 10. We'll wrap things up around ten. And I think a sidebar, I think those who do have littles at home do appreciate knowing the stop time, because then if they're making like, babysitting arrangements, it kind of helps with that. I found that to back when most of my friends had kiddos, some of them would say that they appreciated knowing when the stop time was just so they can better plan their evening, but maybe that maybe that can be the case. So maybe having a start and end time, if you are the host, if you are hosting, will help you get through this event that you really didn't want to do in the first place, or having sort of a hard stop or a check in time if you are the guest having to attend something.

Speaker 1 (00:26:56) - I know again, I'm just telling you, giving you a little insight, a little peek behind the curtain that has helped for not only Paul and I, but like when I've gone places with friends or family. We'll do like a okay, let's give this two hours and then we're going to just see where we are at with this, you know, because again, I understand saying no, as I alluded to in the beginning of the episode, should be the name of the game. But there are going to be times when we just have to go. We just have to. Unfortunately, saying no isn't an option, but that doesn't have to be the end of the story. You can absolutely still redefine it to shape your boundary and your needs at the time. Okay, just a little helpful hint from your friend Deb. All right. So I guess the last thing I just want to touch on really quickly is. There are going to be family events. There are going to be community events that you're going to need to attend or ask to attend or whatever.

Speaker 1 (00:27:47) - And if you do, try to find the fun in it, really try. I know sometimes it's like a moment, especially during the holidays. It's like there's only so much time in the day. I don't have time to attend this thing if you still do. Even in the midst of the eye rolling and the groaning, please try your best to find joy in the moment, to find fun in what's happening in the moment. So you don't want to go caroling. You don't feel like standing outside in the cold, in the back of someone's truck, or walking down the street and singing off key with the rest of your friends and family and neighbors. But you know what? It can still be kind of funny. Find the funny in it. Find the joy. Find the humor. Let's try not to. Let's try not to exercise under a dark cloud the entire holiday season. Now, I know there's going to be moments. And I say, let that dark cloud shine. It's perfectly fine for you to have like, a little meltdown or a little like, you know what? A moment.

Speaker 1 (00:28:48) - But for the most part, let that be like maybe 10% of your holiday experience and let the other 90% really try to focus on if you can, on finding just the simplest. It could just be the simplest little joy, something that make you smile. It could be a heartwarming moment. It could be a bittersweet memory. It could just be something that kind of makes your heart grow. Just like our friend Mr. Grinch, right? You know, his heart grew to sizes that holiday season. So if even he found joy in getting together with the house and Whoville, I think we are equipped to do the same. So. And just remember, as I as I do, laughter sometimes can be the best form of self care. And I'm not saying like at laughing at someone else's expense, but laughing along with others and finding joy along with others can sometimes be just what we need to get us through. So enjoy the holiday season my friend. Keep your sense of wonderment, your sense of joy.

Speaker 1 (00:29:51) - Yes, even your sense of humor. And in my case, a bonus. A sense of sarcasm handy. And let's not forget to treat ourselves with a hefty dose of compassion, empathy, and above all, just some festive, everyday fun, right? So because as they say, you know, the holidays are best seen through the eyes of a child. And maybe sometimes we just need to turn on that childlike activate, right? That childlike behavior in ourselves to really try to find those little pockets of joy. So that is my just my really silly and offhanded tips on how to maybe possibly survive the upcoming holiday season. So. But because above all else, remember we deserve you deserve all the love and care, as I said, that you give to others. You deserve that back in whatever way that can be for you. So get at it. I know you can. You got this. You got this. Let's tackle holiday season 2023 together. All right. So you know I love to end the show on a quote.

Speaker 1 (00:31:00) - And this week's quote is brought to us by anonymous. And it goes like this. The holiday season. Oh a time of awkward family gatherings, questionable fashion choices and unidentifiable casseroles. Cheers. Cheers everyone. As always, you will find a link in the show notes to more episodes just like this mini cast episodes, as well as fantastic and cheerful conversations with the guests I have had. I have close to 200 shows, so there is something in there for everyone. Feel free to peruse the catalog of shows. I know you will find a conversation that resonates with you. Well, as always, my lovely listener, stay safe, be well, and remember, keep having those conversations.